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This is the second time I've gotten embroiled in a discussion with someone who thinks that gun owners need to be licensed and registered and insured, "just like car owners." The insurance is in case someone breaks into my house, steals my gun (you know, the one I lost in that terrible volcano accident), and uses it in a criminal act.

In other words, it's my fault if a bad guy steals my stuff and then uses it to hurt someone. At least, according to these people. They bring up the fact that cars are licensed and regulated and insured.

But the fact is, not all cars are. We own a drag-racing car. It is not licensed, registered, or insured. We trailer it to the track and trailer it home. It's a powerful beast that does a quarter mile in under ten seconds at sea level. Hell, it doesn't even need a key to start it.

What if someone broke into my garage, stole it, and used it to mow down a bunch of kids in a crosswalk by a school? Would the same people who would howl for my head if someone stole my gun and used it to mow down a bunch of kids also howl for my head if someone used my racecar for the same purpose?

For that matter, what if someone steals my (licensed, registered, insured) PT Cruiser and does something terrible with it? In the eyes of the gun-grabbers, am I liable then? Would they come after me and my insurance company for damages?

How about my chainsaw? It's covered the same way my gun is, but it could do terrible things in the wrong hands. Or, what if I collected swords? A sword, arguably, is also only used to "take human life," more so than a gun, even, because when was the last time you took a sword to the range and used it to slash at paper?

Or are guns just special? I mean, they talk about the fact that we license and insure cars, but that's not so, not necessarily, not in every case--I'm a member of an off-roading culture that also doesn't license and insure all its vehicles. My homeowners policy covers the theft of my guns and any injury sustained on my property. Why should I have additional insurance that covers me in the event that someone commits a criminal act using my property that they stole, off my property?

I thought we were done blaming victims. Guess not, if the victims are evil gun owners.

Date: 2013-01-15 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kensieg.livejournal.com
The stupidity it burnsss! It leaves me speechless.

Btw, did you see today's Day by Day? It's great!
Edited Date: 2013-01-15 11:18 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-01-16 04:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agilebrit.livejournal.com
I see all the Day By Days. They are awesome.

I so want some reporter to ask Obama how many people with guns are surrounding him and those kids at that press conf tomorrow. No one will because they are all a bunch of gutless cowards, but GOD, I wish they would.

Date: 2013-01-16 04:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kensieg.livejournal.com
Guns are only for the "right people".

Date: 2013-01-16 02:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agilebrit.livejournal.com
Yeah, well, the 2nd Amendment is for everyone. These people tend to forget that, or ignore it, or gloss it over. And they pay for it at the polls every time when they do.

Date: 2013-01-16 12:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bojojoti.livejournal.com
New York just passed laws that make formerly law-abiding citizens into criminals, because the guns they own now require registration. Anyone not coming forth is now outside of the law.

Date: 2013-01-16 04:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agilebrit.livejournal.com
Sounds like a good time to get out of New York. I am shaking my head at all this. Apparently the situation is so OMGURGENT that they couldn't wait the customary three whole days to read the bill properly. No, they had to pass it naow. IT IS JUST THAT IMPORTANT.

Idiots. Like this will do anything.

Date: 2013-01-16 02:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agilebrit.livejournal.com
That is a beautiful thing, right there.

But the gun-grabbers won't let pesky facts get in the way of their agenda.

Date: 2013-01-16 12:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] texanfan.livejournal.com
Yet another aspect of our crazy litiginous society. I doubt State Farm would cover it if some Bozo stole my car and ploughed it into another vehicle. I mean I'd get the money for the stolen car (I know because I have) but I suspect the car thief would be in it for the damage to the other car. Am I wrong?

Date: 2013-01-16 04:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agilebrit.livejournal.com
I don't think so. I'm honestly tempted to call my agent and find out. The entire argument is ridiculous.

Date: 2013-01-16 12:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redeem147.livejournal.com
Then can't your guns be left locked up at a gun club?

Date: 2013-01-16 01:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agilebrit.livejournal.com
... we don't have gun clubs that will hang onto our firearms in the US, at least not in Utah. Nor would I want to. If someone's breaking into my house, having the weapon I keep for home defense locked up across town will do me absolutely no good whatsoever.

Date: 2013-01-16 11:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redeem147.livejournal.com
But then it's not really something you can compare to a sporting car, is it?

Date: 2013-01-17 12:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agilebrit.livejournal.com
Why not? The racecar is in my garage, not at the track, just like the guns (if I had any left from the tragic volcano accident) are in my house, not at the range.

Date: 2013-01-17 12:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redeem147.livejournal.com
But you wouldn't take the racecar down to the corner store. It's recreational only. You're talking about using the guns for defense - not just for target practice.

Date: 2013-01-17 12:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agilebrit.livejournal.com
The guns I use for home defense stay in the house, except to go to the range for practice.

The guns I would theoretically take out of the house for self-defense, I would do under the auspices of my Concealed Carry permit, which I will be getting next month. In order to get one of those, you have to take a certified class, be fingerprinted, and get a background check done by the FBI. I assiduously hope and pray I will never actually need it. And no one will ever know I'm carrying unless I do need it.

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