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for everyone who thinks we need to ban guns in America. Or ban certain kinds of guns. Or ban high-capacity magazines. The handsome and hard-working Larry Correia lays out his credentials, and why all of that is a very bad idea, in a calm and thoughtful manner.

Yes, it's long. And everybody should read every single word. I'm not kidding.

Date: 2012-12-20 07:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] litlover12.livejournal.com
Oh my gosh, thank you, thank you, THANK YOU for linking to that. At last a blast of good old refreshing common sense in the midst of the hysteria. If I have to listen to one more handwringing bleeding-heart who doesn't have a clue what she's talking about (yes, it's mostly women) wailing that we have to do something about gun control RIGHT NOW, I am going to scream long and loud.

Date: 2012-12-20 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agilebrit.livejournal.com
I am so sick of do-something-itis. "We need to do something!" "Even if it's stupid and counterproductive?" "OMG YES." I really want to smack these people with a haddock.

Fortunately, Larry keeps a better rein on his temper than I do and his normal caustic wit is absent from this article. It is calm, factual, and blows every single one of their arguments completely out of the water.

Date: 2012-12-20 08:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yamamanama.livejournal.com
I don't know... taking advice from fifth rate science fiction authors...

Date: 2012-12-20 08:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agilebrit.livejournal.com
...Seriously?

How about taking advice from a person who owned a gun shop and taught concealed carry classes? How about taking advice from someone who has studied the issue from start to finish? How about taking advice from someone who has worked extensively with law enforcement and military personnel? He lays out his credentials right there.

How about taking the argument on its merits instead of using an ad hominem attack?

Date: 2012-12-20 09:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yamamanama.livejournal.com
If he owned a gun shop, he's going to be pro-gun, most likely.

Date: 2012-12-20 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agilebrit.livejournal.com
...and? Does this invalidate logical argument? Does this invalidate facts?

Date: 2012-12-20 09:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yamamanama.livejournal.com
It means there's an obvious bias in there.

Date: 2012-12-20 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agilebrit.livejournal.com
Oh, I see. So, places like the HuffPo and MSNBC and people like Diane Feinstein and Barbara Boxer and President Obama, those people are completely unbiased. FFS, show me someone who isn't biased on this issue.

Of course he's biased. I'm biased too. I bet you are as well. The difference between him and me, and so-called "news organs" and Democrats, is that we make no effort to hide our bias under a guise of impartiality.

Date: 2012-12-20 11:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] litlover12.livejournal.com
The other important difference is that he has a wealth of firsthand information and hands-on experince, and his bias grows out of that. Their bias is based on popularity contests and whatever sounds good, and that is infinitely more dangerous.

Date: 2012-12-20 09:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jimhines.livejournal.com
I wish he'd cite some sources for the numbers he's throwing out there.

And I find it interesting that when he talks about the four mass killing attempts from last week in order to point out the futility of gun-free zones, the one with the fewest (zero) casualties is in fact the one from the "gun free" country/zone.

Date: 2012-12-20 09:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agilebrit.livejournal.com
I've seen those same numbers floating around, honestly, but can't tell you where I saw them first.

I would argue that "no deaths" does not equal "not horrific." I think the incident in China was used as an example of "evil people will find a way to be evil even if they don't have access to a gun" more than anything else.

Date: 2012-12-20 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paulasj.livejournal.com
We DO need to do something. I'm tired of not posting my thoughts and political beliefs because of the backlash I know will occur. But you know what, maybe someone is open-minded enough to listen, then make an informed decision rather than the knee-jerk emotional ones our government and media would have us make.

I tweeted this earlier, it's gun control stats. “States that allow law-abiding citizens to carry concealed handguns enjoy a 60 percent decrease in multiple-victim public shootings and a 78 percent decrease in victims per attack.” John Lott, Jr. and Bill Landes, “More Guns, Less Crime.” [Image: Concealed Carry Licenses, Ohio Free Press, 2009. Federal court recently struck down Illinois’ state-wide concealed carry ban.]

http://www.ijreview.com/2012/12/26022-9-must-see-gun-control-statistics/2/

Date: 2012-12-20 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agilebrit.livejournal.com
I think arming teachers who want to be armed is a fine start, just as I thought arming pilots who wished to carry after 9/11 was a good place to start. We trust these people with our kids and the airplanes, we can't trust them with a firearm?

Date: 2012-12-20 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paulasj.livejournal.com
Exactly!

Date: 2012-12-21 03:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fierynotes.livejournal.com
I noticed that he mentioned explosives being used if guns were made too hard to get.

Speaking as a lefty with a well-restrained inner pyromaniac (I indulge that side of myself with the odd flaming dessert these days), explosives are alarming easy to make. Making them in such a way that one can still count to twenty-one afterward (or twenty, in the case of female would-be bombers) is only slightly harder. And there's a lot of info on the net -- I'm sure some of it is accurate.

(Sorry. I've been half-expecting to see that come up for years. McVeigh at least turned out to be an outlier, as opposed to the start of a trend.)

Date: 2012-12-21 03:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agilebrit.livejournal.com
One of the largest, if not the largest, school massacres in US history was carried out via explosives in 1927. Not a shot was fired. 38 kids were killed, along with 4 adults. So, yeah, it's not out of the realm of possibility.

Date: 2012-12-21 03:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] louli-rabbit.livejournal.com
Very good read.

It was interesting to read a logical piece of writing after an emotional event.

Because 'we' are all about making noise about change after something terrible happens and then time goes by and then nothing changes, it's forgotten and then the next terrible thing happens and it's "rinse and repeat'

I understand why everyone believes if we take away guns that will solve the problem but unless you have a magical spell to make every gun on earth disapear all you are doing is removing training and guns from the people who are there to protect us. Evil people don't care about the law and will always find an alarming easy way to get what they need.

And if we do find that magic spell it wil have to eventually include explosives, knives, a stick with a nail on the end of it, pointy sticks, fire....

As a rule we are a creative society when it comes to trying to kill each other.

Date: 2012-12-21 06:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] agilebrit.livejournal.com
Someone on twitter today was bleating about how we need to keep guns out of the hands of criminals.

Well, duh. When you find a magic bullet (ha) for that, let the rest of us know, okay? In the meantime, me and my incipient concealed carry permit will be over here protecting myself and my family.

Also, in the meantime, tell me how disarming me makes me safer. Because I really want to know how the "logic" works there.

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