An open letter to ginmar

[agilebrit]

Maybe she'll see it here and get the point, because she's still back on the other thread fapping away and not getting the point.

Ginmar. Maybe you'll see this, this time. I have no idea HOW TO GET THIS THROUGH YOUR HEAD: YOU NEVER FRIENDED ME BACK WHEN I FRIENDED YOU. I NEVER HAD ACCESS TO ANY OF YOUR LOCKED POSTS. EVER. Therefore, I felt it immaterial that I defriended you, and felt no need to make a dramatic "Wow, you're bitter and angry and spew a bunch of bullshit and so I'm leaving" post on your LiveJournal. Why would I have done that? Dude, it's your space, you can be bitter and angry on it if you want.

Furthermore...I didn't want to read your UNlocked posts. What on Earth makes you think I'd want to read your LOCKED posts? I'm sure they're pretty much more of the same, only probably even MORE bitter and angry. I don't listen to angry and bitter conservatives *cough*MichaelSavage*cough*, and I have no desire to listen to angry and bitter liberals.

I get that you're bitter. I even understand why. That doesn't mean I want it on my friendspage. I never expected you to be "chipper," for heck's sake. But I finally got tired of reading it, and tired of scrolling past it, because you still seem to have NO concept of the LJ-cut. So I removed you from my friendslist. Which is my perfect right to do. Since I was never on yours, I thought we were done. Apparently I was mistaken. Whatever.

If it's THAT important to you, who friends you and defriends you and when, find a way to keep track. There's a handy tool here. I'm sure the Army taught you all about personal responsibility.

And there you go about honorh's lifestyle choice again. She's not allowed to have an opinion unless she's had some MAN's penis inside her? Wow, who knew Teh Cock had such sparkly magical powers? Some feminist YOU are. And, oh noes! I'm choosing to stay home and raise my child! I must be some kind of traitor to the sisterhood because I'm not out in the trenches of the workforce doing MAN stuff. I did that crap for 20 years. I like this much better.

Bitch, please.

Comments

[unanon.livejournal.com]

Oh! I remember when you made that post! Long time ago, wasn't it?

I also remember being utterly unsurprised that you'd decided to remove ginmar from your reading list. There was a time when I read her posts as well; she was being recommended everywhere as a frequently-updated war-blog. I think I kept her on my reading list for a full month before the one-note politics wore me out. Heck, I feel like my own political leanings are probably WAY more liberal than yours, but I tend to prefer broad spectrum analysis, personally. *shrug*

Having read back through the more recent comments that have been made, I see no excuse for the level of vitriol that's in evidence. I'm a huge advocate for being able to say exactly what one thinks in one's own LJ, locked or unlocked, but I don't understand why you've even bothered to enter into discussion with this person when the conversation isn't even civil?! I mean...were someone to say this sort of thing to you on the street wouldn't you just walk away? What makes LJ different?

[agilebrit.livejournal.com]

Six months ago.

*sigh* There's just something in me that compels me to get into arguments with people like this and try to get them to see reason. The only reason I posted this particular thing is that she's going on and on about how I "had access to her unlocked posts," when nothing could be further from the truth. But that seems to be getting missed among all the hoo-rah. This will (probably) be my last post on the subject, and I just wanted to make this point as plainly as I could.

She won't engage on the actual issues, though...And why I bothered? Because poking trolls is fun? Eh. *goes back to staring at a blank fic doc*

[nodrogg.livejournal.com]

See, that's the problem with minding my own business - look at all the FUN I miss! This sounds like real monkey-house funtime, over there.

... I just got through reading this creature's userinfo. Just walk away. Life is too short to worry about people like this. She has, undoubtedly, four or five fast friends who are absolutely identical to her in every possible way... and everyone else is an enemy for one reason or another.

Big deal. "Via con Dios!"

[agilebrit.livejournal.com]

If you click on the "ginmar" tag on the post, you'll get the whole sordid story. It's been wild. I thought I had walked away, six months ago. Why she's chosen to make an issue of it, this late in the game, is probably a mystery never to be solved.

[wisewoman.livejournal.com]

You go, girl! (I'm new to your lj, but I support you 100%.

(I started to express some doubts, privately, about Ginmar's state of mind to my lj friends when she first returned from Iraq. Everybody made all the usual excuses for her, citing her stress level, etc. I was sure there was something more going on there, though. Too bad for you it turns out I was right.)

;o)

[agilebrit.livejournal.com]

Yeah, she's gone through a lot of crap. You know what, though? My Dad served two (count 'em!) tours in Viet Nam. And he's not rude to perfect strangers on the internet. I guess everyone deals with stress in different ways, but I have little tolerance for incivility. Especially incivility from a so-called feminist directed at a dear friend of mine because she's chosen to stay chaste until marriage. Good grief, of all the things to get pissy about...

Ugh. I'll stop now.

(PS, I added you back as a friend. Hello and welcome!)

[fenchurche.livejournal.com]

Especially incivility from a so-called feminist directed at a dear friend of mine because she's chosen to stay chaste until marriage. Good grief, of all the things to get pissy about...

And geez, it's not like it's exactly an uncommon thing... I managed it, and a goodly number of my friends managed it as well (including ones who aren't particularly religious, so it's not like they did it for that reason, either).

I really wonder what's been going on for her recently, though... since I got flamed by her a week or so ago, pretty much out of the blue, over on a third person's LJ. Maybe she's not getting enough people to rant at over on her own LJ, so she's gone out looking? Very weird.

[agilebrit.livejournal.com]

Exactly. There are practical as well as religious reasons for going that route. Not wanting the possibility of pregnancy or STD's, and avoiding the emotional baggage...Lord knows I wish I'd waited.

Eh, let her fap away. I'm of the mind that if someone wants to look like an utter fool in front of (possibly) thousands of people *waves to OTF_Wankers and other random strangers* you should go ahead and let them.

[nodrogg.livejournal.com]

If you believe that 'feminists create a culture of victimhood' you're wrong, and you're not a feminist... If you believe that feminists want to take over, you're wrong... If you believe... that feminism is anything but a movement to gain for women those rights that they have been denied for centuries, then you're wrong... If you want to stop rape, stop bitching at women who are the primary victims of it, and start bitching at the men who either commit it or excuse other men rape instead of committing it themselves... If you think I dislike people who disagree with me, take a good hard look at how you disagree. I won't tolerate trolls or twits... If your mind is made up about feminism, and you're not in favor or you've decided that feminists are evil, I won't tolerate it...

There are Inquisition torches burning behind this woman's eyes. The gulag awaits those whose orthodoxy is less than perfect.

My advice: Stay to hell away from this unmedicated sociopath.

[agilebrit.livejournal.com]

I tried. Six months ago... Fortunately, she lives in Minnesota, and I get up there about once every five years, so the chances of our ever crossing paths in real life is remote at best unless she's at one of the zoos right around the time of the Oshkosh Airshow.

[0lesserknown0.livejournal.com]

Ok, *now* she's just pissing me off.

How...how can someone look at another person and say 'because of what YOU choose to do with YOUR body, I'm going to discount your opinion and personally attack you'?

If I reversed the sitch - attacked all non-virgins - I'd be excommunicated from the 'net. And rightly so.

She's insane.

[agilebrit.livejournal.com]

She's insane.

I'm beginning to think that that's really so. And if so, I'm starting to feel like piling on the crazy person isn't really a nice thing to do...

*sigh* Who'da thunk six months ago that defriending a person who's flist I wasn't even on would cause this much drama?

[0lesserknown0.livejournal.com]

Some people are all about teh drama. Whatever, I say.

Also, no worries about making fun of the crazy people. As a professional crazy (as well as a Professional Virgin - for full details, see my published works), I can testify that there are pills and nice men in white coats for this type of thing. If you choose to not get help, however, and force people to suffer your Rants of Death and Bad Language, I say it's open hunting.

[fikgirl.livejournal.com]

*facepalms and cries*

I can't believe she is still doing this. And she is *still* missing the whole point of the ... er, debate. And that aside, she is clinging to the disillusion that you ever had, or wanted to have, access to her locked posts.

*sighs*

I actually feel a bit sorry for her though, and I hope that somewhere among the masses of people who form her "adoring public" that she has one or two real friends who will say, "Hey, you're overreacting. Maybe you should talk to someone professionally." Because clearly -- the woman has some issues going on.

*throws her full support behind agilebrit and hopes that the two of you never cross paths in real life.*

[agilebrit.livejournal.com]

She was mean to Alix, of all people, who's on the ground in Afghanistan and has also been to Iraq. Jeepers.

Thanks.

[curiouswombat.livejournal.com]

I sat and composed another comment to her further stream of illogical insults, but in the end I decided it wasn't worth it - she actually doesn't seem to understand simple phrases in English like 'You can't defriend someone that you didn't friend', and seems only to be able to see things in terms of sexual intercourse.

At least you, and all your friends, have come over as dignified and fair people - only one person in this whole furore hasn't - and the more she blusters the stupider she looks!

[agilebrit.livejournal.com]

Yep, let her fap on. I hope she brought Kleenex so she can clean up the spooge...

Probably not. *stocks up*

[kathleendoris.livejournal.com]

agilebrit, you're fantastic

[agilebrit.livejournal.com]

Eh. I think I just have a fundamental inability to let things go, coupled with the insane urge to try to speak reason to unreasonable people. But thanks. :-)

[crayonbreakygal.livejournal.com]

Whoa, Nelly. I went over and took a look-see at her page too. I'm not sure what to say that hasn't already been said. I know that I don't agree with you always, but you have always treated everyone respectfully. And dragging other people into this? Not cool.

*hugs and pie*

[agilebrit.livejournal.com]

Thanks. *hugs back*

[zanthinegirl.livejournal.com]

Hi! You don't actually know me (wandered like everyone else) but I just wanted to let you know that I think you've handled this whole situation with remarkable grace and dignity. I doubt I'd have been nearly so restrained; I'm very impressed. Just sorry it came to that! I took a look at Ginmar's journal; and she really does sound like she needs some psych help. Hope she finds it!

[agilebrit.livejournal.com]

Thank you. I hope she finds it too.

[shonagonchan.livejournal.com]

This ginmar person is a world of misogyny and hate. The end.